September 17, 2011

SandBox Comments: The Hill "House Republicans introduce bill to speed up illegal-immigrant deportations "

One of the things SandBox likes about 'The Hill' is the trolls (yes, kids, we're all trolls.  The goal is to be a good troll) who frequent that forum generally run a good dialog.  There are some good comments on this piece by Pete Kasperowicz.  Check 'em out.


"Rep. Duncan Hunter says bill is partly a response to an administration policy that focuses on deporting immigrants who are a threat.

Twenty-one House Republicans on Thursday introduced legislation that would require immigration officials to deport illegal immigrants on an expedited basis.

The bill, H.R. 2952, was planned before the Obama administration announced a new policy that focuses on deporting immigrants who pose more of a threat to the U.S., such as those who have committed crimes. But the bill's chief sponsor, Rep. Duncan Hunter (R-Calif.), said it is partly a response to that policy decision, which he called a "blatant disregard for the law" because it would selectively enforce U.S. immigration laws.

"Laws are meant to be followed, and not ignored for convenience or political advantage," Hunter said in late August when he said his bill was pending..."
(Pete Kasperowicz)


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10 comments:

Anonymous said...

One of you guys enlighten me.

What exactly is "humane immigration reform"?

mack said...

A movement by those bad-ass conservatives with slogans like "come and take it" who beat innocent latina women and children over the head with clubs while they drag them back across the border. Then on their way back through San Diego stop off and club some baby seals to take back home for the folks at the trailer park.

gws44 said...

Inappropriate, mack.

Anon, here's how I define human immigration reform.

If you really read what moderates, conservatives and quite a few liberals have to say about illegals, they aren't out to harm anyone. They just want the laws we have to be upheld.

When you really listen to what pro-amnesty and pro-illegals is saying, they are all for very inhumane treatment of the illegal population. Low wages, labor intensive jobs, welfare and charity. That's pretty poor treatment that we as Americans get up in arms about on behalf of legal Americans.

The movement started a few years ago with a group who had the idea that the government should document all illegals and then sort it out. Bring everyone out of the shadows to be counted. Obviously, to do that, we have to enforce the law and conduct sweeps. This group was hoping to get the word out that deportation would not be automatic, we just need to know the numbers and face the problem.

They then moved on to a push for the government to reverse the border. Offer incentives to anyone who wanted to go back home and then come back over on a legal pass and seek citizenship. Cut the red tape, shorten the requirements for clean with no record immigrants and those with US born children and family. The theory was to also give a little bit of economic incentive to Mexico to work with the program and help sustaing those that went back through reverse border.

Guest worker visas could be done, shorter lines and paths to citizenship. They were tough and it's still not as easy as a free ride. But they estimated that we would save trillons of dollars over periods of a decade or more by simply cutting off the free ride and making the path to citizenship a partnership.

Another factor the movement has is safety. Thousands of lives are lost each year through human trafficking, coyotes and really bad conditions that these people face when they sneak into the USA illegally. Women, children sell their bodies and all worldly goods, just for a chance. It's horrible. Conservatives and anti-illegal believers are not the monsters the left paints them as. Our laws are humane laws, it's the politics that color them.

I support humane immigration reform and believe we are long overdue to get real, adult discussion going.

Immigration Attorneys said...

That's a great plan. But we should consider the legal immigrants. Thanks!

gws44 said...

IA, not sure where the concept doesn't take legal immigrants into consideration. Please share your thinking.

All we do is guess and that's because we don't know the problem. Where I think both sides go wrong now is because they really don't know the problems. Then you throw in activism on both sides and it's like tossing jet fuel on something that's already a bonfire.

If we took even the first step and got all immigrants, legal and illegal, documented then we could see where we are. Until we get cooperation from immigrants, that's just not going to happen. As a taxpayer and someone who cares about the problem and getting it solved, I would think all immigrants would want to help with a cause that is set for higher ideals.

But then, if you're an illegal that has bigger problems with the law than just fake ID, you're not going to come out of the dark to document anything. If we would just set the guidelines up so that immigrants on both sides understand that there are rewards for cooperation in getting documented to start this thing rolling. Why can't we put just a temporary hold on enforcement action and do a nationwide sweep during that time to get everybody on the books. It would sure sort out fast the immigrants who're really serious about becoming American citizens.

The first step to do that is to be like all of us are. Documented. We give our children social security ID and birth certificate, at the moment of birth. If someone is serious about becoming an American, they should do same.

Once we document at least we have the ability to round up anyone who is harmful to society or wanted elsewhere. We've got the ability then to set up programs and help and resources for illegals who have legal wives and children.

I would be interested to hear what you think.

mack said...

There you go, 44.

You never would've shoved me aside and dived into this one if I hadn't yanked your chain a bit.

It's a decent article and good work from the GOP on this bill. It deserved good discussion and you give that along with some pretty good snark when you get fired up. Just hitting the ignition switch, my dear.

Forgot.

After clubbing those baby seals, those bad-asses drove cross country straight through. Hitting every Taco Bell in the country and tossing their PBR cans and styrofoam out the window the entire way. Got any thoughts on the environment?

hammerandnails said...

on their way back to D.C. in time to vote on this bill.

made record time pushing that convoy of monster pickups and SUV's. Baghdad style driving.

stopped off in oil and gas country to snap some pics of liberals picketing gasland.


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gws44 said...

I suppose shouting "yahoo and hell yeah" the entire trip?

Ignore them, IA.

hammerandnails said...

you betcha.




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FCL said...

Off the Grand Junction Sentinel:

Colorado immigrant rights groups oppose crackdown
Monday, September 19, 2011

DENVER — Colorado immigrant rights groups are demanding changes to a report that recommends softening the Department of Homeland Security’s controversial effort to identify illegal immigrants.

The Colorado Immigrant Rights Coalition is holding a rally on Monday at the Denver Immigration Court House to demand that government officials suspend enforcement until changes are made.

They say the report falls far short of addressing flaws that prevent the program from being a law enforcement tool that respects community policing, civil rights, and does not operate outside its mandate.

The federal task force is recommending that federal officials only use the program to identify serious criminals and not people accused only of minor traffic offenses, and that crime and domestic victims and witnesses not be subject to enforcement actions.